Cage (John)

Marc Fauvet, le patron du Cobra Mou, bien connu des habitués de ces lieux, nous lâche de la bombasse acoustique hier, et c’est trop lourd pour qu’on s’en passe sur g0ne. Séquence reblogging.

Je suppose que comme tout un chacun, vous êtes familiers de la musique de John Cage. Pour ma mère, qui n’en finit pas d’éduquer son oreille, et pour Goulven qu’un rien traumatise, je suggère d’écouter la Troisième Construction pour percussions, ça swingue, c’est magnifique. Mais là en fait, Marc nous a capté une vibration naturelle qui serait plutôt dans la ligne du deuxième Paysage Imaginaire.

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Histoire de mettre un peu de perspective dans tout ça, et pour ceux aussi qui lisent plus facilement qu’ils n’entendent, je ne résiste pas au plaisir de vous donner un petit bout d’une interview qu’on trouve sur la page de wikipédia dédiée au compositeur. Ça cadre parfaitement.

Quand j’entends ce qu’on appelle de la musique, il me semble que quelqu’un est en train de parler. De parler de ses impressions, ou de ses idées des relations. Mais quand j’entends la circulation, le son de la circulation — ici sur la Sixième avenue par exemple — je n’ai pas l’impression que quiconque parle. J’ai l’impression que le son agit. Et j’adore l’activité du son […] Je n’ai pas besoin que le son me parle.

(When I hear what we call music, it seems to me that someone is talking. And talking about his feelings, or about his ideas of relationships. But when I hear traffic, the sound of traffic—here on Sixth Avenue, for instance—I don’t have the feeling that anyone is talking. I have the feeling that sound is acting. And I love the activity of sound […] I don’t need sound to talk to me.)

10 thoughts on “Cage (John)

    • hmmmouais
      Cage a fait beaucoup plus que 4’33, mais on y revient toujours, c’est un peu comme la Fontaine de Duchamp… l’arbre qui cache la forêt

      et même, à propos de 4’33.
      imagine la première, dans la version pour orchestre, et l’intensité avec laquelle une salle entière a pour une fois écouté le silence rempli du bruit de 500 personnes qui se taisent ensemble, qui écoutent, qui attendent. en face d’un symphonique. ça devait être incroyable d’intensité.
      je donnerais cher pour revivre cette première. après c’est sûr, une fois qu’on sait, je ne vois pas vraiment l’intérêt. mais c’était censé être un événement, pas une oeuvre du patrimoine.

      • oh, i understand and respect your point of view, i just don’t like what most people consider to be music, whatever it may be. i’d much rather hear water, wind, thunder and even better, nothing at all.
        i like your post. it’s a nice change from tailing loops ! :mrgreen:

        • funny you mention it, I’m doing plenty of them this afternoon ^_^
          but agreed, it’s cool to talk about something else!

          as for music, it’s in the human brain, you can’t help it: as soon as you stop and listen, not because you try to locate something, but just to listen, you’re into the musical realm. Cage was just the most prominent western guy to stress the fact that soundscapes have properties that the articulated musical discourse lacks.

          anyway, you nailed something really first class, thanks for sharing!

          • i think a distinction should be made between music and sound.
            in the case of natural non-human induced sounds, the term ‘music’ attached to them is a human desire for some kind of ill-fitting romanticism or maybe just the need to attach it to some category. usually the former.
            natural sounds just are, they need no glory, they don’t need anyone to notice them and they have no purpose.
            they would continue to exist without being categorized and that’s what makes them perfect.

            • “natural sounds just are, they need no glory, they don’t need anyone to notice them and they have no purpose.
              they would continue to exist without being categorized and that’s what makes them perfect.”

              right but besides the point
              ‘music’ as understood here needs not be a praise or anything, it’s just what sound becomes once it is considered not for practical purposes but for its aesthetics properties. think sound of the sea. and it’s even more the case when you record it.
              now, if you’d prefer to stick with ‘sound’, that’s fine. you just lose a distinction.

  1. ‘music’ as YOU understand it. not me…
    you won’t hear me praising cows, btw :-p

    if Hitler says that listening to Cage is a waste of time then of course i’ll agree with him !
    (even more so considering that Hitler never even heard this Cage guy in the first place… :mrgreen: )

    • ^_^ everyone should praise cows, what would we do with the cheerios without them?
      then one may well praise the bell makers for knowing how to get a good sound, and that crazy guy shooting the fog because of the way it sounds, even if he won’t admit it’s music.

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